Fyrebrand wrote:Do you remember when Bill O'Reilly suggested that there must be a God in charge of the universe, simply because "Tides come in, tides go out... never a miscommunication" or some such nonsense? He was shot down pretty quickly, and there were countless replies on other shows and all over the internet explaining how we do, in fact, understand the mechanics of how tides work. Now, if O'Reilly really thought about it or bothered to research the point, he could have easily learned this bit of science for himself.
DjVortex wrote:It's very similar to Ray's banana argument (ie. how the banana is "perfectly designed for human consumption", which clearly demonstrates the existence of a supernatural designer). This implies that the banana has existed as it is today from the beginning of time. When he was told that the modern banana was actually created by human artificial selection some time in the 1800's, and before that the banana did not exist in its current form (the ancestor of the modern banana is almost inedible and only vaguely resembles it) he had no choice but to concede.
Fyrebrand wrote:What makes Ray even more ridiculous is that, to my knowledge, he ended up acknowledging the true history of the banana in the end, and accepts that breeding led to its current form. Yet, you take that same idea, but substitute natural selection for artificial selection, and he rejects the whole concept. On some level, he knows he's wrong. He knows just enough to get the general concept, I think -- but whether consciously or unconsciously, he manages to keep himself in the dark on the details, just enough that he can still half-believe his own deceptions.
Fyrebrand wrote:DjVortex wrote:That banana video was probably Ray's single biggest mistake -- not only in terms of making himself look like a dishonest fool, but because it the real answer so clearly demonstrates the general idea of how evolution works (even if it was artificial selection, in this example).
Cephus wrote:Fyrebrand wrote:That banana video was probably Ray's single biggest mistake -- not only in terms of making himself look like a dishonest fool, but because it the real answer so clearly demonstrates the general idea of how evolution works (even if it was artificial selection, in this example).
The problem is, you're assuming that Ray, or most other creationists, is at all rational. He's not. He's accepted a conclusion as 100% factually true and has no interest in questioning, examining or demonstrating that fact. It just is true and can never, by his definition, be false. Therefore, having any sort of discussion with him is pointless and he doesn't bother thinking about his "proofs", like the banana, because as far as he's concerned, *EVERYTHING* proves his foregone conclusion is true.
DjVortex wrote:Actually Ray has admitted that his banana example was wrong.
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