dobbie wrote:If I ramify on it, the answers were like truth vs hope. And hope won. I don't doubt that the Christian view hopes for several so-called spiritual things, such as for their salvation and a good afterlife. I understand those things about the Christian worldview.
Can it really be called hope, however? It's so much easier to find Christians certain about belief, 100% certain; if atheism is the more rational method of belief, why is it so much harder to find such people with the same degree of certainty in an apparently rational system?
Okay, but how does it contribute to the discussion of the Christian worldview?
There are a number of historical facts in the NT, everybody agrees. For a few examples (which you no doubt already know, anyway), there is the existence of the Roman Empire, the Judean providence, Pontius Pilate, as well as other places and rulers. And for another really existing person, there's John the Baptist, as testified by the historian Josephus.
Atheists mostly contest the reports of miraculous events, which the NT says occurred and Christians aver really occurred. The Christian vs non-Christian worldview lies in that area; itâ€™s where atheists cast doubt and find no convincing reason to take it seriously.
You asked what factual events could be found in the Bible: that was my answer.
As for the miraculous events, what of those inextricably tied to the existing people? Most trustworthy historians admit Jesus was crucified; and yet I doubt you could find one that states he did not rise again, even though there were and are many publications stating that he did.
What of the Apostle Paul? Conversion, and by what? The intervention of God: and how else could such a vehement anti-Christian change so?
[quote]In fact Iâ€™ve stated on another discussion group that the Christian has little or nothing to offer; in one form or the other, he only just repeats â€œThe Bible says so.â€